Wankage Follow-up Post
May. 24th, 2009 09:58 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
dysonrulesI received so many amazing comments yesterday in response to my screened post that I have collected a (not so brief!) selection of comments and will post them (anonymously) beneath the cut for those of you that are curious.
Once again, I am blown away by the awesomeness that is this fandom. I LOVE YOU GUYS SO MUCH!
I have never felt maligned or downtrodden, I love the fandom, and have had no issues with it. Everyone I've come across so far has been unfailingly kind.
I think porn is the answer to this problem.
I'd never heard anyone complain of it, either, and I have quite a few newbies, some of whom I beta for (for fests! so clearly someone is accepting them!) on my flist, too.
Most of my F-list consists of people that I regard as BNFs (and I bet half of them haven't even heard of the other half.) Me, I'm just in awe of all that hard work.
I have lots of new friends as well, and I hope they continue to write for the fandom. There's so much delicious stuff out there by both new and more experienced writers. To paraphrase Carly Simon, I haven't got time for the wank. I barely have time to read fic these days.
(Dyson's note: I totally agree! I wish I had time to read more!)
Personally, I never felt marginalized coming into fandom, I just jumped in, posted my awful fics and then worked on improving them. Sure, now I've got that creeping writer's block bug that shows up with crippling insecurity, but as a newbie to fandom a couple of years ago, I never felt that what I was writing wasn't getting due attention.
I plan to ignore the metaphorical wanking and focus on the important stuff, also known as porn. In there I might find literal wanking, which makes me very happy! :D
(Dyson's note: HELL YES! WOOT!)
I tend to read the authors that I know write well and not waste my limited time reading all the newbies who may or may not write well. I don't think its that newbies are ignored, I think its just that there are a lot of incredible authors out there and its preferable to read the ones you know are good with the time you have.
(Dyson's note: Again, this is a time-constraint issue, definitely not a slight to newcomers. I have the some problem. Sometimes I'm even UPSET when one of my fav authors posts because I want to read it NOW and sometimes can't get to it for a bit. Can you guys work on posting according to MY schedule? *grin*)
I feel like a bit of a newbie since I'm just joining fests recently and I do notice that author's with familar names get more comments but after reading their stories, I must admit that they are much better authors than I and that they deserve the praise.
I think its a little bit of time constraints and people sticking with their favorites and a bit of new authors that need more practice to improve in their writing that causes these feelings.
As you probably know Smoochfest was my first fest (and I made so many mistakes *hangs head in shame* you probably know because you had to correct them all ^^) but you have been so helpful and so nice through it all that I felt less stupid and more encouraged to take part in other fests! So thank you!
(Dyson's note: I really didn't see too many submissions with "mistakes" so don't be hard on yourself. The rules are hard to grasp on your first time out and it can be very hard for an unknown to find a good beta. We're glad you joined us! *huggles*)
I ignore all fandom wank. I write slash because I enjoy the process of writing. I like to receive comments on my writing but life doesn't end if I don't. It makes me feel good when someone likes my stories. I don't care who thinks they are the "biggest fan" of whomever. I don't care who's moving on to a professional career. I love each of the authors I read regularly equally. I read new authors every week.
(Dyson's note: *squishes you*)
1. No, I don't feel maligned and/or downtrodden, and I've never felt like that. 2. Yes, I do like the fandom, very very very much. All those lovely people and friends and fics, reading them and writing them... and porn and art (also, looking and drawing myself) and hot boys and hot pics of hot boys and even more hotness. *sigh* it's brilliant.
(Dyson's note: It really is. *happy sigh*)
Of course there will be popularity...it happens whenever groups form. But are we all stuck in a high school mentality? Honestly. We're here to have fun, not argue.
Like me, hate me...doesn't much matter to me. I'm just here for the fun and the smex.
The good thing about the internet is that the user/reader/... chooses the content s/he wants to consume. I usually ignore the things I don't like, and wank is one of those. There's plenty of fic and art I like and there are enough people I love to interact with - so I'm happy. :)
HELP ME! I'M BEING OPPRESSED! AND I HAVE ISSUES! AND I CARE ABOUT WANK(ING)!
(Dyson's note: I promise to give this author a smack as soon as I've stopped laughing long enough to track her down. *giggles* She is too adorable.)
I AM fairly new and what you could call a newbie, but I've always been welcomed and people have always been friendly to me, although (in the circle I dropped in) it was clear from the beginning who was known and who was friends with who and such, but that is not a bad thing and EVERYBODY, including very much these before mentioned people, have been nothing but kind and awesome and fun and helpful!
(Dyson's note: Although there are circles and possible cliches, I've never found these to be exclusive "member's only" clubs. If you're brave enough to strike up a conversation with someone, don't be surprised if you become a "friend" rather than a "fan". There will always be those few with whom we have a particular affinity, but that doesn't mean we don't value our other friends just because we don't plague them on IM 24/7... That's probably a good thing. LOL!)
I don't really know who the best known writers/artists are, but I've found a lot that I truly enjoy reading (stalking) and am always happy to find more talent. The fests I've run across have provided some amazing stories and art.
I don't feel shut-out. I have barely posted much so I can't expect a lot of people knowing I exist.
(Dyson's note: Considering the trillions of reviews this particular person has left all over fandom, I think we all know her name by now! *grin* You are fabulous!)
People should just read what they want according to their pairing, the kink, etc. and comment accordingly. but as Thumper said, If you don't have something nice to say, keep your mouth shut. If I dont like a story, I just don't comment. and I've disliked stories by seasoned writers just as much as new writers. I have read some really bad shit by seasoned writers, and awesome gems by new writers.
(Dyson's note: LOL! Here, here! We've all written badfic, haven't we? *looks at a few of mine I'd like to pretend don't exist*)
For me the first thing BNF means is "Bibliothèque Nationale de France" - National Libraray of France.
(Dyson's note: This made me LOL.)
Fandom is all about fun, friends, reading porn, and writing porn!
I'm a ikle fledgling writer but I get all the feed back I need. I'm very meek and it's very easy to knock me back. You lot are very helpful and I feel comfortable posting for you.
(Dyson's note: *squishes you*)
If I get readers who like me, awesome. But if I don't, I still know that I wrote something I'm proud of.
Not only did I use faithwood's Beginner's Guide (helpful in the extreme), but you both read and recced my first story. As a result, I had the incredible experience of getting a shit-ton of comments my first time out the gate. Everyone has been lovely to me in this corner of fandom and I have felt nary a hint of oppression.
(Dyson's note: I need to mention that this particular author's first fic - written for a fest - blew me away. The nice thing about anon fests is that if you DO happen to write a kick-ass story, it WILL get attention, no matter who you are.)
I call bullshit on this wank. I've had nothing but loveliness thrown at me since I stuck my nervous little toe in these waters.
(Dyson's note: And with that, I hereby declare this issue a non-issue and suggest we all get back to our usual mutual adoration and porn appreciation. I find you all fabulous and wonderful! *HUGGLES TO ALL*)
Oh, and one more late note: I probably have a different take on this from other people, because I don't write. Well, I do write, but I don't post the crap I write...that's for me tosuffer enjoy! ;D But I delurked & got an LJ a while ago because a) I wanted to leave non-anonymous feedback for my favourite writers & b) I was going through some personal shit & needed an escape that also involved some interaction with other people. And I achieved both those things. I love this fandom!! I was welcomed right from the start by some truly wonderful people.
(Dyson's note: Forget the anonymous thing, I am SO glad this person delurked or I never would have become ENGAGED!!! *squishes my precious Snugglemuffin a billionty and TEN* XOXOXOXOXOXOX *giggles*
Once again, I am blown away by the awesomeness that is this fandom. I LOVE YOU GUYS SO MUCH!
I have never felt maligned or downtrodden, I love the fandom, and have had no issues with it. Everyone I've come across so far has been unfailingly kind.
I think porn is the answer to this problem.
I'd never heard anyone complain of it, either, and I have quite a few newbies, some of whom I beta for (for fests! so clearly someone is accepting them!) on my flist, too.
Most of my F-list consists of people that I regard as BNFs (and I bet half of them haven't even heard of the other half.) Me, I'm just in awe of all that hard work.
I have lots of new friends as well, and I hope they continue to write for the fandom. There's so much delicious stuff out there by both new and more experienced writers. To paraphrase Carly Simon, I haven't got time for the wank. I barely have time to read fic these days.
(Dyson's note: I totally agree! I wish I had time to read more!)
Personally, I never felt marginalized coming into fandom, I just jumped in, posted my awful fics and then worked on improving them. Sure, now I've got that creeping writer's block bug that shows up with crippling insecurity, but as a newbie to fandom a couple of years ago, I never felt that what I was writing wasn't getting due attention.
I plan to ignore the metaphorical wanking and focus on the important stuff, also known as porn. In there I might find literal wanking, which makes me very happy! :D
(Dyson's note: HELL YES! WOOT!)
I tend to read the authors that I know write well and not waste my limited time reading all the newbies who may or may not write well. I don't think its that newbies are ignored, I think its just that there are a lot of incredible authors out there and its preferable to read the ones you know are good with the time you have.
(Dyson's note: Again, this is a time-constraint issue, definitely not a slight to newcomers. I have the some problem. Sometimes I'm even UPSET when one of my fav authors posts because I want to read it NOW and sometimes can't get to it for a bit. Can you guys work on posting according to MY schedule? *grin*)
I feel like a bit of a newbie since I'm just joining fests recently and I do notice that author's with familar names get more comments but after reading their stories, I must admit that they are much better authors than I and that they deserve the praise.
I think its a little bit of time constraints and people sticking with their favorites and a bit of new authors that need more practice to improve in their writing that causes these feelings.
As you probably know Smoochfest was my first fest (and I made so many mistakes *hangs head in shame* you probably know because you had to correct them all ^^) but you have been so helpful and so nice through it all that I felt less stupid and more encouraged to take part in other fests! So thank you!
(Dyson's note: I really didn't see too many submissions with "mistakes" so don't be hard on yourself. The rules are hard to grasp on your first time out and it can be very hard for an unknown to find a good beta. We're glad you joined us! *huggles*)
I ignore all fandom wank. I write slash because I enjoy the process of writing. I like to receive comments on my writing but life doesn't end if I don't. It makes me feel good when someone likes my stories. I don't care who thinks they are the "biggest fan" of whomever. I don't care who's moving on to a professional career. I love each of the authors I read regularly equally. I read new authors every week.
(Dyson's note: *squishes you*)
1. No, I don't feel maligned and/or downtrodden, and I've never felt like that. 2. Yes, I do like the fandom, very very very much. All those lovely people and friends and fics, reading them and writing them... and porn and art (also, looking and drawing myself) and hot boys and hot pics of hot boys and even more hotness. *sigh* it's brilliant.
(Dyson's note: It really is. *happy sigh*)
Of course there will be popularity...it happens whenever groups form. But are we all stuck in a high school mentality? Honestly. We're here to have fun, not argue.
Like me, hate me...doesn't much matter to me. I'm just here for the fun and the smex.
The good thing about the internet is that the user/reader/... chooses the content s/he wants to consume. I usually ignore the things I don't like, and wank is one of those. There's plenty of fic and art I like and there are enough people I love to interact with - so I'm happy. :)
HELP ME! I'M BEING OPPRESSED! AND I HAVE ISSUES! AND I CARE ABOUT WANK(ING)!
(Dyson's note: I promise to give this author a smack as soon as I've stopped laughing long enough to track her down. *giggles* She is too adorable.)
I AM fairly new and what you could call a newbie, but I've always been welcomed and people have always been friendly to me, although (in the circle I dropped in) it was clear from the beginning who was known and who was friends with who and such, but that is not a bad thing and EVERYBODY, including very much these before mentioned people, have been nothing but kind and awesome and fun and helpful!
(Dyson's note: Although there are circles and possible cliches, I've never found these to be exclusive "member's only" clubs. If you're brave enough to strike up a conversation with someone, don't be surprised if you become a "friend" rather than a "fan". There will always be those few with whom we have a particular affinity, but that doesn't mean we don't value our other friends just because we don't plague them on IM 24/7... That's probably a good thing. LOL!)
I don't really know who the best known writers/artists are, but I've found a lot that I truly enjoy reading (stalking) and am always happy to find more talent. The fests I've run across have provided some amazing stories and art.
I don't feel shut-out. I have barely posted much so I can't expect a lot of people knowing I exist.
(Dyson's note: Considering the trillions of reviews this particular person has left all over fandom, I think we all know her name by now! *grin* You are fabulous!)
People should just read what they want according to their pairing, the kink, etc. and comment accordingly. but as Thumper said, If you don't have something nice to say, keep your mouth shut. If I dont like a story, I just don't comment. and I've disliked stories by seasoned writers just as much as new writers. I have read some really bad shit by seasoned writers, and awesome gems by new writers.
(Dyson's note: LOL! Here, here! We've all written badfic, haven't we? *looks at a few of mine I'd like to pretend don't exist*)
For me the first thing BNF means is "Bibliothèque Nationale de France" - National Libraray of France.
(Dyson's note: This made me LOL.)
Fandom is all about fun, friends, reading porn, and writing porn!
I'm a ikle fledgling writer but I get all the feed back I need. I'm very meek and it's very easy to knock me back. You lot are very helpful and I feel comfortable posting for you.
(Dyson's note: *squishes you*)
If I get readers who like me, awesome. But if I don't, I still know that I wrote something I'm proud of.
Not only did I use faithwood's Beginner's Guide (helpful in the extreme), but you both read and recced my first story. As a result, I had the incredible experience of getting a shit-ton of comments my first time out the gate. Everyone has been lovely to me in this corner of fandom and I have felt nary a hint of oppression.
(Dyson's note: I need to mention that this particular author's first fic - written for a fest - blew me away. The nice thing about anon fests is that if you DO happen to write a kick-ass story, it WILL get attention, no matter who you are.)
I call bullshit on this wank. I've had nothing but loveliness thrown at me since I stuck my nervous little toe in these waters.
(Dyson's note: And with that, I hereby declare this issue a non-issue and suggest we all get back to our usual mutual adoration and porn appreciation. I find you all fabulous and wonderful! *HUGGLES TO ALL*)
Oh, and one more late note: I probably have a different take on this from other people, because I don't write. Well, I do write, but I don't post the crap I write...that's for me to
(Dyson's note: Forget the anonymous thing, I am SO glad this person delurked or I never would have become ENGAGED!!! *squishes my precious Snugglemuffin a billionty and TEN* XOXOXOXOXOXOX *giggles*